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Rask


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   Posted 2005-10-23 2:23 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Milk = Bad?
 
I personally have a low Milk and low Egg diet, and don't have any known dietary deficiencies.  I also have a hard time putting on weight (although I am at a healthy weight for my height).
 
I think more studies need to be done, but I am of the opinion that humans don't need milk past the age of 10, and human milk is better for babies than any other kind.
 
Drinking cow's milk is mainly a Western culture thing, and indeed most other cultures lack the enzymes to digest it properly, which leads to lactose intoleance, mild or otherwise.
 
More information can be found here, although I think the website design is so 1995.


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Rask


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   Posted 2005-10-23 2:24 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
(The "Not Milk" site that the second link above links to is also a little heavy on the propaganda.)


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   Posted 2005-10-23 3:10 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
On the other hand, a lot of other cultures drink goats milk. Is that better? Sheeps milk tends to be popular as well.

I also rarely drink milk. I thought I was in a cereal kick a while ago until I tried some with milk. Bah. Yucky.

I think cheese is the way to go.

Ooo, I have some brie here...


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   Posted 2005-11-14 2:57 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
I've thought that drinking large quantities of milk is absurd for many years now. I am lactose intolerant myself, so I suppose that's part of the reason why I'm against drinking milk. I also have an interest in veterinary medicine, and I've always thought it very strange that humans are encouraged to drink milk, but veterinarians always stress that you are NOT supposed to feed your animals milk after they have been weaned. Why is it that humans are any different from animals in this regard?

Each species of mammal produces a slightly different kind of milk. The most healthy kind of milk for an individual to drink is always milk produced by its own species. Yet we humans constantly drink large quantities of cow's or goat's milk, decades after we have been weaned. This makes very little sense to me. I'm glad I now have an article to back up my unpopular view.


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flamel


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   Posted 2006-04-14 1:19 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Two liters a day of 1% milk, and a fair bit of cheese... can you say "addict"? I knew you could:)


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Deidra


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   Posted 2006-04-19 9:07 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What about pregnant women & nursing mothers? You'd have to eat a lot of cheese to make up for missing those 4 cups of milk a day.


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Rask


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   Posted 2006-04-19 1:31 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

You don't need to put milk in to get milk out.  smilewinkgrin

The Japanese have almost no dairy in their diet, for example.  (To them, us westerners smell a little like sour milk.)

There are other, better sources of calcium, including seaweeds such as kelp, wakame and hijiki; nuts and seeds (like almonds and sesame); beans; seafood such as oysters and shrimp; soft-boned fish; amaranth; whole wheat; collard greens; okra; rutabaga; broccoli; and fortified products such as orange juice and bread.

I do like cheese, but I eat it for enjoyment and not for dietary reasons.


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Sapientia


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   Posted 2006-04-19 11:18 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

Also all very good reasons not to eat meat.

Did I mention I've been a vegetarian for the last seven years?

I do however eat some dairy (cheese and some yogurt) and I eat a limited amount of egg products.

I've heard many of these comments from Vegans and generally tend to agree.  On the website it also points out some of the issues related to the suffering of the animals and the impact of the dairy industry which I find interesting.

A couple years ago I visited a family in BC who chose to eat only seasonal food.  They had a chicken and a couple goats and we had goat's milk for breakfast.  I thought the arrangement was good.  You might still disapprove because of health concerns over goat's milk?

Anyway, it was the middle of summer and we left with a flat of peaches.  It was a lot of peaches for a while.  That's seasonal eating.

Quite frankly I think the whole food industry is quite out of wack and think we are beginning to learn this the hard way.  It will become more and more apparent what we are doing to ourselves and our planet as time goes along.

Buy Local!  Buy Organic!

 

 


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Deidra


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   Posted 2006-04-24 9:22 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Rask said...

You don't need to put milk in to get milk out.  smilewinkgrin

The Japanese have almost no dairy in their diet, for example.  (To them, us westerners smell a little like sour milk.)

There are other, better sources of calcium, including seaweeds such as kelp, wakame and hijiki; nuts and seeds (like almonds and sesame); beans; seafood such as oysters and shrimp; soft-boned fish; amaranth; whole wheat; collard greens; okra; rutabaga; broccoli; and fortified products such as orange juice and bread.

I do like cheese, but I eat it for enjoyment and not for dietary reasons.

Tell that to the medical profession. :)


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SAGE


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   Posted 2006-04-24 5:55 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Well, any dietician or gp should be able to council a balanced healthy diet with Milk and like products eliminated. I know my GP had been trying to get me to eliminate Milk from my diet.. but it's hopeless. I just love the stuff.

I do agree however that the ingestion of milk and milk products is completely unessasary past the age of two.

As far as nursing goes, it was my understanding from my health science class days that as long as the diet is varyied and balanced and caloric intake is increased 30-40% (ish..can't remember the exact percentage it could be a bit higher then the figure I quoted..) milk production is assured without determental effects to the mother health and energy requirements. After all they are many cultures and people in our own who nurse with out the benefit of a diet including milk.


 
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flamel


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   Posted 2006-05-02 4:12 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
It's all so confusing. There is nothing so batty in the field of nutrition that no-one will advocate it - witness the popularity of the Atkins Way to Early Death. So what is one to do? The mainstream isn't right all the time either - but it's what I tend to follow. Or at least pay lip service to - I believe I mentioned earlier that I drink 4 times the milk "they" recommend. But I am free to do as I did today and cook bacon and eggs while contemplating the evils of the Atkins diet (hey, *I* had toast and oatmeal with my grease, protein, and cholesterol).
I guess I'm rambling but I still wonder who to listen to.


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Sapientia


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   Posted 2006-05-02 5:37 PM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.

I agree Flamel.  My mother was trained as a biochemist and did some early research on nutrition.  She's spent years telling me about the latest research which inevitably contradicts the previous research.  Its as bad as the fashion industry.  For a science its very annoying.  Not to mention the fact that the research we learn about in the media can be a result of certain industry bias.  Like research on drinking a certain amount of alcohol can be good for you.  But what if the research is correct and who knows.  And besides there are many cultural components to diet that make it work for some and not others.  There's lots of genetic factors that we need to take into account, and gender differences and behavioural and environmental factors and blah blah blah.  Its just about as complicated as trying to figure out anything about humans.

Lately, what's really starting to get to me is I notice I need a different diet from doing so much freakin' Tai Chi. I know if I ask the Tai Chiers they're all going to say- eat meat for more protien but I just can't.  And they don't understand.

But nonetheless I have a bias in favour of...

traditional practices - some things have worked well for thousands of years.  We, as humans, have a long heritage of previous generations figuring what works for our bodies.  We're very lucky to have this information.  Its good to take a look at what has worked and why.

Try to be moderate - excess of anything isn't likely to be a good thing
 
mix things up- variation in food is interesting, means that we'll sample many different levels of nutrition and reduces the likelihood of developing food sensitivities
 
and restating what I said before...
If its good for the food, it'll likely be good for you
If its not good for the food, its not likely be good for you (BSE, pesticides etc.)
 
Wow, I can ramble on endlessly about this.  I mean, I can really go on about it.
 
It hasn't stopped me from eating chocolate despite what I know about that.  (slave labour, unfair trade practices, cash crops, leeching the soil, sugar which causes aging, sickness and so on and so on)
 
And finally, I still listen to my mother, even though it could be different six months from now.  She is my mother.
 


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   Posted 2006-05-03 6:54 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
"It hasn't stopped me from eating chocolate despite what I know about that. (slave labour, unfair trade practices, cash crops, leeching the soil, sugar which causes aging, sickness and so on and so on)" and "If its not good for the food, its not likely be good for you"

On the bright side, at least exploited people aren't bad for the food.

Which is good, especially in light of the illegal immigrant seasonal workers that harvest a lot of produce and fruits in the US.


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   Posted 2006-05-03 8:49 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
Nscafe Unleaded said...
On the bright side, at least exploited people aren't bad for the food.
There's eating healthily, and then there's eating ethically.  Both are good for you, although both require a little more effort than just eating what's in front of you.


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   Posted 2009-01-15 1:07 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
In China,more and more people like drink the milk,maybe,it was by the impact of Western culture.Anyway,in china more and more people like drink the milk!
i am a Chinese, i found this bbs through google,
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   Posted 2009-11-25 9:43 AM (GMT -6)    Quote This PostAlert An Admin About This Post.
What do you put on your Frosted Flakes if you do not drink milk?idea
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